So I fired up D2 again

[mn4nu]

I installed PlugY and started a new sorceress to try it out.  So far so good.

isn't that the one that will corrupt you, you grow hair on your palms, you go blind and it ruins your soul?  Or was that just overreaction?

It better be overreaction or else I'm screwed!  One thing I don't miss about D2 is having to do the same thing 3 different times.  At least D3 got that right.

[Timinator]

Eventually. Remember when you had to do it four times not three!

[mn4nu]

Eventually. Remember when you had to do it four times not three!

The game was so hard back then doing it a fourth time wasn't really possible.

[lemming]

PlugY's not kosher by SPF standards, for what it's worth.

I don't think I'd want to use it for inventory management anyway, since GoMule is so much more powerful.

[mn4nu]

PlugY's not kosher by SPF standards, for what it's worth.

I don't think I'd want to use it for inventory management anyway, since GoMule is so much more powerful.

I don't care about the SPF.  I haven't visited there in years, but thanks for the info.  I agree inventory management is not as convenient as GoMule, but that's not why I'm using PlugY.

[TheNix]

Do you know you cannot even say "PlugY" at the SPF?  There was a brief hope that a breathe of fresh air was going to blow through, but it was snuffed out pretty quickly.

[mn4nu]

So, PlugY is like "Voldemeort"? 

[TheNix]

So, PlugY is like "Voldemeort"? 

Don't laugh, I refer to it as the "Voldemort program" on the SPF.

[Darkness]

So what's the deal with PlugY and the SPF? Is it an actually an issue the SPF have or is it that the website admin's don't like it?

I remember "back in the day" that Ron (Greybeard) went to the wall to defend the use of ATMA by the SPF, when behind the scenes the D2.net Admin and other Mods were discussing that it was a "duping" program and whether to ban its use. That ATMA is still accepted today I suspect is in part to Greybeard sticking to his guns on behalf of the community.

[mn4nu]

The one thing I think that they might not like with PlugY is that you can reset skills anytime.  Other than that, after playing it for a couple weeks there really isn't much of a difference to me.  I actually had the diablo clone spawn in a game the other day, but my character was much too weak to make a dent in him.

[TheNix]

As far as I know it is a forum wide ban on all third party software that gives PlugY its bad name but there is a certain amount of hypocrisy in it.  The SPF has been allowed to develop and promote certain utilities (ATMA/GoMule, RWM/RRM, various version switchers, run counters) without hindrance but there seems to be an ideological objection to PlugY.  The funny thing was that you could use it if you were playing Median XL, but you were not allowed to mention the program by name; it promotes its use you see!!  The most resent schism at the SPF really brought these (and more) issues to a head.

[Darkness]

Now I'm confused as fuck.

There's a ban on third party software.
But, some third party software is allowed.

I...

Wut....?

[mn4nu]

Now I'm confused as fuck.

There's a ban on third party software.
But, some third party software is allowed.

I...

Wut....?

Yeah, I'm with you on this.  That makes no sense.

[Sssith]

I can't believe this is still discussed.  SPF was always crazy.

To me it was always clear cut. 

• If you want a clean environment play self found.  Don't trade. 
• If you want to trade understand that you can't guarantee you are not using a dup.
• Trade with people you trust.  Which is why this forum and others, including SPF came about.
• When you trade be open about what programs you use.
• Check you self righteousness at the door.  <-- Where SPF fails

This issue is over a decade old.  The definition of insanity.

[mn4nu]

I can't believe this is still discussed.  SPF was always crazy.

To me it was always clear cut. 

• If you want a clean environment play self found.  Don't trade. 
• If you want to trade understand that you can't guarantee you are not using a dup.
• Trade with people you trust.  Which is why this forum and others, including SPF came about.
• When you trade be open about what programs you use.
• Check you self righteousness at the door.  <-- Where SPF fails

This issue is over a decade old.  The definition of insanity.

Good summary!