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Title: Election post
Post by: Disco-neck Ted on November 02, 2020, 10:04:44 PM
Nobody posting anything yet?  Sure, don't post until tomorrow like the weaklings that you are.  I can wait.

As long as the echoing silence isn't *interrupting* or anything, here is something you didn't need to know:  ballot structure is important n' stuff.

See, my home state of Arizona has a reputation for being racist over the Martin Luther King holiday, and probably other things too, to be fair.  But the MLK holiday is a bad rap

When the holiday was put to a vote, someone fucked up the ballot, whether due to naivete or something worse, I don't know, but what they did on the ballot was this:

( ) Vote 'yes' if you want Martin Luther King Day to replace Columbus Day.
( ) Vote 'yes' if you want Martin Luther King Day to replace another holiday.
( ) Vote 'no' if you don't want Martin Luther King Day as a holiday.

In the polling booth, as soon as I looked at the ballot, I knew the initiative was bound to fail because the 'yes' vote had been split.  It's crazy to see something so unfair as this and know that it should have been structured differently as a yes/no question with a SUBSEQUENT question regarding replacing Columbus Day.

The results were like this:  32% in favor of MLK Day replacing Columbus Day, 30% in favor of MLK Day replacing another holiday, and 34% in favor of not having MLK Day as a holiday.

I forget how the holiday was enacted after that, but our dimwit governor thinking he had heard a mandate from the people that we didn't want this holiday, cancelled it.  We impeached his cracker ass shortly thereafter.

So, quick summary:  'racist' Arizona actually favored the MLK holiday 62% to 34%, but... ballot structure.

Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Timinator on November 03, 2020, 02:19:05 AM
Im an atheist but tomorrow I’ll be praying for you guys
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Pixie on November 03, 2020, 05:08:57 AM
I took tomorrow off work so I could recover... one way or another...
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: syn on November 03, 2020, 07:13:32 AM
lol, nice ballot question. almost Florida worthy.

working today, which is probably nice since i'll be too busy to watch the news. really wish i had tomorrow off, though.

biden swept dixville notch.  :o

Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Sssith on November 03, 2020, 10:23:58 AM
I think the point is that someone, who is racist, set up the choices like that on purpose.  There is no way that the yes vote was set up that way by accident. 

Divide and conquer has long been a racist's calling card.

Keep on fighting!

My vote is in.  I guess we start to get an idea of what is happening around 4:30 to 5pm EST.  I am actually off from work.  My company does the appropriate thing of giving everyone the day off.  We have six warehouse crews scattered across the country and it is nice that they get a chance to have the day off. 

I need to find a way to keep myself busy.  I wish my gaming computer was functional.  Ah well.
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: maxbeedo on November 03, 2020, 01:54:46 PM
Yeah, my company gave us the day off too, and is planning on keeping meetings sparse tomorrow for people to recover.  The main town hall here was completely packed but a different voting location down the street had like 10 people total there, so I was in and out as fast as I could fill everything out.  Been running errands all morning and there are a TON of road construction crews working today, which I guess makes sense if a lot of businesses and schools are out.
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: mn4nu on November 03, 2020, 03:28:22 PM
Dropped off my ballot weeks ago.  Hoping beyond hope that we have seen the end of the businessman experiment.

I never knew that about the MLK holiday fail.  Thanks for infoming us DnT.
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Silverthorn on November 04, 2020, 07:10:40 AM
From the information we get here in Europe it doesn't look all that promising, I'm sorry to say.
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: syn on November 04, 2020, 07:16:03 AM
Wisconsin is likely to get called for Biden later this morning. If he also takes Michigan and Nevada, that should be enough. it's way too freaking close.

Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Sssith on November 04, 2020, 08:18:23 AM
Holy F*balls.

While Biden leads Trump is just going to get more desparate.
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Pixie on November 04, 2020, 10:24:24 AM
From the information we get here in Europe it doesn't look all that promising, I'm sorry to say.

Your information is wrong.

Biden has this. Didn't get the Senate, unfortunately, but getting rid of the orange shitgibbon is a fair start. The 2022 Senate map looks really, really good for D's.
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Sssith on November 04, 2020, 12:05:19 PM
This needs to be based solely on vote count.

It does look like Biden has it but it is really sad that this is so close.
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: mn4nu on November 04, 2020, 12:57:32 PM
It looks like Gideon just conceded to Collins in Maine.  Dammit!!!!  Divided government is so fun.  Nothing will get done in the next 4 years.

It seems as though Trump is going to drag this out and go down in flames like the loser he is.
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Pixie on November 04, 2020, 01:24:04 PM
Nothing will get done in the next 4 years.

2 years. The 2022 Senate map looks way better than this one did. 22 R's up, with 6-8 by my count in potential flips, and 12 D's, mostly safe.

Anyway, let's take the victory before we start the doomsaying and down-talking this win.

The shitgibbon is getting evicted. We have a WoC in as VP. That's huge! HUGE! We flipped two senate seats and the only one we lost was never really blue to begin with. We still have the House. Delaware elected a transgender state senator! Texas is turning more blue every cycle. We are probably flipping Georgia (to be determined, but it's looking good). Tons of other ballot stuff passed. Marijuana won everywhere. Florida and part of Maine voted for a $15 minimum wage. Oregon decriminalized drug possession (all drugs, in small amounts).

It's easy to fall into "omg, but the senate" or "it should have been a blow out" but those were never super realistic. Things are still better now than yesterday. Breathe.
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: syn on November 04, 2020, 02:19:15 PM
Senate situation puts an end to court reform. I suppose the current SC will get a good chance to show how bad it is.
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: mn4nu on November 04, 2020, 08:57:37 PM
I love your post Pixie!
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Pixie on November 04, 2020, 09:49:02 PM
Aww thanks.

I've spent the last 24-30 hours talking perpetually-depressed-and-defeatist democrat friends off ledges. It's been endless doom and gloom. "We lost Florida, it's all over oh no" and so on. Every single thing. "Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota are all red!" So I've just been trying to get everyone to step back, breathe, have some perspective. We got this. Sure it's not The Great Blue Tsunami people fantasized about.

But Trump right now is, reportedly, sullen and down as he realizes he's losing and all his ratfuckery efforts are failing. He's threatening lawsuits that his lawyers aren't even filing ("they're more like political statements than legal papers" reported the PA AG). The Secret Service has enacted a no-fly zone over where Biden's victory celebration is planned. Because they know.

Ohio elected an openly lesbian sheriff... to replace the sheriff who fired her for being lesbian. Oklahoma - OKLAHOMA - elected a non-binary muslim to state legislature. Vermont elected a transgender state legislator. Biden is going to win with probably more than 80 million votes. That's astonishing.

We're moving the right direction. Not as fast as some of us want. But there's a lot of good to be found in the last 24 hours.
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Sssith on November 05, 2020, 09:59:54 AM
It is really good to be able to see the long road that we have ahead of us in a positive light.

Things are improving even if the fringes are becoming more desperate.

I still feel a bit depressed that he got this many votes but if you look at the big picture he is losing the popular vote by a wide margin.  It sucks that this system makes the dem have to earn more votes in order for them to win.
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: syn on November 05, 2020, 11:16:38 AM
perdue dropped below the 50% cutoff today. two senate runoff elections in GA in January might be interesting.
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: syn on November 05, 2020, 05:57:56 PM
LOL trump came on a few minutes ago to make a statement and all the networks, including fox, cut away after about 5 minutes of his verbal diarrhea.
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Pixie on November 05, 2020, 06:31:25 PM
This may be my favorite thing:

(https://i.imgur.com/2NJk0Ci.png)
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Sssith on November 05, 2020, 06:32:47 PM
I love how he is calling for them to stop counting the votes.  But wouldn't that mean you would have to go with the results that currently stand?  He is behind in Arizona and Nevada.

Both GA and PA are closing strongly for Biden.  Almost there.
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Pixie on November 05, 2020, 06:35:30 PM
I love how he is calling for them to stop counting the votes.  But wouldn't that mean you would have to go with the results that currently stand?  He is behind in Arizona and Nevada.

Both GA and PA are closing strongly for Biden.  Almost there.

I called 306-232 yesterday and it's looking more and more like I was right.

306-232 is especially fun considering that was the final tally in 2016...
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Sssith on November 05, 2020, 06:38:55 PM
I would love it if that were the case.

And now for some dark humor:

(https://i.imgur.com/4cMJrae.png)
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: syn on November 05, 2020, 09:40:39 PM
they haven't started counting absentee votes in Alaska?? the democratic senate candidate there is making optimistic noises...

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Dr. Al Gross
@DrAlGrossAK

US Senate candidate, AK
The dynamics of the Alaska Senate race at this hour remain in a state of flux. With approximately 44.6 percent of the ballots not yet counted, we believe we will win once every vote has been counted in the state.
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Dust on November 06, 2020, 12:24:02 AM
Last I saw, alaska was still at only about 50% votes counted.

I doubt very much it would go democrat, but with all the down ticket contests I can understand why the Democratic candidate is making that kind of noise...

(https://i.imgur.com/SyF16Km.png)
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Pixie on November 06, 2020, 07:40:58 PM
So, a big part of Arizona going blue this time? The Navajo Nation.

There are 85,000 registered voters there. 76,000 of them voted. 89% turnout.

74,000 of them voted for Biden.

(you might remember that this was the place that asked the Trump admin for PPE and medical supplies when COVID hit the reservation in April, and instead they were sent boxes of body bags)
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Pixie on November 07, 2020, 10:40:08 AM
FINALLY! NBC CALLS IT! WOOO!
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Sssith on November 07, 2020, 10:44:49 AM
YEAH BABY!

Pennsylvania came in and it is official.  President-Elect Biden.

Title: Re: Election post
Post by: syn on November 07, 2020, 12:26:00 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Pixie on November 07, 2020, 12:45:19 PM
The memes are strong.

The celebrations are inspiring.

The relief in my chest is palpable.
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Timinator on November 07, 2020, 12:50:58 PM
Soooo happy for you guys! Your social media feeds must be amazing.
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Pixie on November 07, 2020, 01:00:14 PM
Soooo happy for you guys! Your social media feeds must be amazing.

They really, really are.
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Disco-neck Ted on November 07, 2020, 02:39:54 PM
I've been hoping for Arizona to hang on for Biden and not just to ice the electoral cake.

See, we have weird recount rules. Candidates cannot ask for a recount and one is automatically triggered only if the result is closer than .1 percent. So, if Nevada were to be convincingly blue beyond hope of recounting, and if AZ was not insanely close, Biden could have unshakably reached 270 and we wouldn't have any reason to recount Pennsylvania or Georgia and any challenge would hopefully be over SO much sooner.

Then I remembered that Wisconsin is part of Biden's 253 and recounts are inevitable so we should probably turn this into a drinking game. New lawsuit filed?  Drink!  Recount changes nothing?  Big drink!
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Pixie on November 07, 2020, 02:47:26 PM
On the other hand...

the best thing about a recount is we get to watch him lose again!
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Sssith on November 07, 2020, 02:58:50 PM
Recount rules, I believe, vary state by state.

Yesterday or the day before I read that Georgia will have a recount.  No idea if that is still accurate.  I guess we will know sometime after the first count.  Recounts are expensive and rarely change the vote count.

Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Disco-neck Ted on November 07, 2020, 04:19:19 PM
On the other hand...

the best thing about a recount is we get to watch him lose again!

Brilliant!

As for recount rules varying by state, yes, but none of the states currently in question have rules anything like Arizona. They all allow for someone to request a recount under the current circumstances. Nevada allows for a recount to be called regardless of the distribution of votes.

Some states say that whoever asks for a recount pays for it. My advice is to ask for the money in advance!
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Sssith on November 07, 2020, 04:25:26 PM
With Trump it always has to be money up front.  Such an ass.

Worth a watch: https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/11/07/van-jones-reaction-2020-election-result-elexnight-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/presidential-election-2020/

Deutsche Bank seems like an incredibly corrupt bank.  That said I am looking forward for this to happen: https://www.businessinsider.com/deutsche-bank-trump-ties-debts-after-election-reuters-2020-11
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: mn4nu on November 07, 2020, 07:05:50 PM
For Pixie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTlbfLa0bcM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTlbfLa0bcM)

I'm so happy that the big orange d-bag is outta here!
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: syn on November 07, 2020, 07:32:38 PM
ROFLMAO


Jimmy Traina   @JimmyTraina:
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Listen, President Biden is going to speak soon, then Dave Chappelle hosts SNL w Foo Fighters and then we have a full day of NFL tomorrow.

But on Monday we really must spend the day discussing the Trump campaign booking Four Seasons Total Landscaping instead of Four Season Hotel.
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: syn on November 07, 2020, 07:38:30 PM
“Well, I guess it’s back to the crypt for another thousand year sleep.”

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmQ03mzXEAAi8J3?format=jpg&name=small)

Title: Re: Election post
Post by: mn4nu on November 07, 2020, 11:04:43 PM
That Four Seasons thing is amazing.  Only the best people.
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Sssith on November 07, 2020, 11:33:45 PM
“Well, I guess it’s back to the crypt for another thousand year sleep.”
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmQ03mzXEAAi8J3?format=jpg&name=small)

One of the evilest asshole in the Trump Admin.

The Four Season is straight out of the onion.  I simply cannot fathom that is actually something that happened.

edit: if you don't know what that last bit is about: https://imgur.com/gallery/j0cBnNh
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: syn on November 08, 2020, 07:47:08 AM
The Four Season is straight out of the onion.  I simply cannot fathom that is actually something that happened.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmRQbMhU4AECLAA?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Cluck Kent on November 08, 2020, 10:29:48 PM
And may God bless us, every one.

Congratulations right thinking people everywhere!
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: syn on November 10, 2020, 01:01:45 PM
@SecPompeo: "There will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration." (https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1326230270421426183)

getting really tired of this bullshit.
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Sssith on November 10, 2020, 03:57:08 PM
The crazy train is not stopping.

Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Disco-neck Ted on November 13, 2020, 09:42:55 PM
https://www.newsweek.com/maricopa-county-republican-chair-resigns-voting-machines-1546568
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: syn on November 19, 2020, 11:22:48 AM
Trump targets vote certification in late bid to block Biden (https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-targets-vote-certification-29da6aac9cc41e47f3095855e7af7031)
Giuliani formally asks federal judge to give Pennsylvania's electors to Trump (https://news.yahoo.com/giuliani-formally-asks-federal-judge-070900670.html)

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Some in the Republican president’s orbit have held out hope that by delaying certification, GOP-controlled state legislatures will get a chance to select different electors, either overturning Biden’s victory or sending it to the House, where Trump would almost surely win.
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: syn on November 19, 2020, 12:55:37 PM
Trump tries to subvert the election, inviting Michigan G.O.P. lawmakers to the White House. (https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/11/19/us/joe-biden-trump-updates#trump-tries-to-subvert-the-election-inviting-michigan-gop-lawmakers-to-the-white-house)
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Sssith on November 19, 2020, 01:26:35 PM
All this is a coup attempt.  Hardly surprising and I certainly hope he gets in trouble for it.  The whole thing is disgusting.
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: syn on November 19, 2020, 03:33:44 PM
rudy and his legal team had a press conference this afternoon. they're all fucking deranged. they blamed george soros, antifa, hugo chavez (!!!), and of course the clinton foundation. These are the people representing the president.

This gem was retweeted by the RNC's official twitter feed:

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"We will not be intimidated...We are going to clean this mess up now. President Trump won by a landslide. We are going to prove it. And we are going to reclaim the United States of America for the people who vote for freedom."
—Sidney Powell (one of trump's lawyers).

WTF



Title: Re: Election post
Post by: syn on November 19, 2020, 04:33:51 PM
ROFL

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I am no longer impressed that Sasha Baron Cohen tricked Rudy Giuliani.
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Sssith on November 19, 2020, 04:42:14 PM
WAKE UP! (https://i.imgur.com/482QDEd.mp4)
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Sssith on November 19, 2020, 05:02:23 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/imar12G.jpg)
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: syn on November 19, 2020, 05:50:30 PM
from the recently fired Director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency:

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Chris Krebs
@C_C_Krebs · 3h
That press conference was the most dangerous 1hr 45 minutes of television in American history. And possibly the craziest. If you don’t know what I’m talking about, you’re lucky.
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Disco-neck Ted on November 22, 2020, 02:32:58 PM
I swear an intern at The Onion was sent out for a replacement keyboard and got it from one of those mysterious shops that you can never find again. The curse is such that anything you type, no matter how ridiculous, becomes real. Several laugh-out-loud passages here:

https://www.newsweek.com/georgia-trump-supporters-destroy-gop-boycott-senate-runoffs-1549245?amp=1
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: syn on November 22, 2020, 07:07:10 PM
please proceed...    ;D

i can think of few things more satisfying than having trumpers boycott the runoff.
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Disco-neck Ted on November 22, 2020, 10:02:25 PM
Yes, my heart leaps at the thought!  My fear is that the energy in this will dissipate before the runoff, but let's hope these people can make their voices heard by refusing to vote.

If the electoral confirmation came right before the Georgia runoff, that would be ideal.
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: mn4nu on November 23, 2020, 08:58:39 AM
I wonder what Moscow Mitch thinks of this.
Title: Re: Election post
Post by: Sssith on November 23, 2020, 09:55:15 AM
That would be F* Fantastic.  I am all for the GOP getting blown up.  You keep coddling the crazies and this is where you end up.