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Re: UK general election
« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2017, 11:19:31 AM »
Yeah how dare you hijack this thread. We've got misery to deal with this week.

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Re: UK general election
« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2017, 08:02:12 PM »
The middle of the day as the results are coming in.  Hope you guys aren't having nightmares around midnight.  Looks like (currently) a hung parliament.  No more UKIP seat.

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Re: UK general election
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2017, 10:28:20 PM »
I predict May resigns for making things worse.  Next PM calls an election in 2 years to get more stability ..

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Re: UK general election
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2017, 06:21:30 AM »
Well it was pretty much the result I was hoping for over the last week, would have preferred those Conservative gains in Scotland to either remain SNP or go to Lib Dem or Labour so that a left-wing government was more workable. I expected and was hoping that the LDs would have gained vote share and seats instead of losing more ground.

I think Brexit is still inevitable, but at least now we might stay in the single market and keep freedom of movement and not fuck the economy completely. I'm hoping for a Norway-style resolution, if the UK doesn't back down completely.

May surely can't stay on, but it will probably still be a Conservative government so Boris Johnson as PM??? Jesus Christ!
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Re: UK general election
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2017, 06:52:37 AM »
I am not a follower of UK politics at all, but it seems like the last PM called for the Brexit vote, and lost, and now this PM called for elections, and lost.  Were they overconfident or just clueless (or both)?

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Re: UK general election
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2017, 07:52:43 AM »
Both!

Kas might be able to correct me, but I think it went something like this (BTW Tory = Conservative, like GOP = Republican):

* David Cameron was a fairly moderate leader of a centre-right government. Most moderates on any side of the political spectrum were in favour of remaining in the EU, including (at the time) the now-PM Theresa May.

* Cameron was under-pressure to change the relationship with the EU from the right-wing of his own party plus the even more right-wing UK Independence Party (whose sole reason for being is to leave the EU). These Euro-skeptics were given political weight by the insane right-wing press who dominate the media here and were able to whip up the unthinking masses who consume their bile (this was basically the same as the Breitbart-InfoWars-Fox-Trump effect, i.e. "foreigners and educated elites are the reason you don't have jobs"). Note it's not just the right-wing who are against the EU: Jeremy Corbyn, the current leader of the centre-left Labour party, was also in favour of leaving for ideological reasons related to trade unionism and class war, and he only grudgingly supported the pro-EU side because his party as a whole were on that side.

* Although he was secure enough not to need to do it, Cameron decided to appease these people by holding the referendum he was sure would be firmly in favour of the EU.

* The media fury went into overdrive, and certain pro-EU Tories (Boris Johnson, Michael Gove) campaigned for the Leave side because they thought a narrow Remain win would weaken David Cameron enough that Boris could take over as PM. Yes, these fuckwits actually used a referendum on constitutional issues and international agreements on trade, security, etc. to further their personal ambition and play internal party power games. Theresa May was pro-EU but kept her head down so she wouldn't be tainted no matter what the outcome.

* University students and other young people with the most to lose didn't turn out to vote, but old people romanticising the good old days did. Leave won. Cameron said, literally, "why should I do all the hard shit" and resigned. Johnson and Gove turned their knives on each other. Squeaky clean May was the only viable option for party leader and PM.

* The country descended into a few months of acrimonious bickering and insults between Remoaners and Brexshitters. May moved from a pro-EU position to hard Brexit (i.e. cutting all ties, soft Brexit means keeping some arrangements like tariff-free access to the single market and visa-free movement of workers but in turn having to comply with some EU laws without now having a say in making them). May also went full dictator and decided she could unilaterally decide everything to do with Brexit, but a court case went up to the Supreme Court that forced her to get the consent of parliament (a formality, but the fundamental basis of democracy). The Daily Mail newspaper, which supported Hitler in WWII and has the largest readership of any media outlet, called the judges who made that decision "Enemies of the People".

* She eventually triggered Article 50, i.e. formally told the EU that the UK wanted to begin the process of leaving, which must be concluded within 2 years. At this point the Conservative party had a large enough majority to push through whatever they wanted to do.

* Meanwhile, analysts had realised that whatever the outcome of the Brexit negotiations there would be a period of poor economic performance. The next scheduled election would fall right in the middle of these doldrums, and the ruling Conservatives would be guaranteed to get hammered. Theresa May called a snap election to push back the next scheduled election into what would hopefully be a period of recovery so the Conservatives might be able to win it. Again, a fuckwit put the national interest at risk for party political gain. This was sold as "wanting to increase her mandate", i.e. win an election in which she was the leader instead of being promoted into the role, and also increase the number of seats held by the Tories to make passing bills even easier.

* At that time the polls suggested the Tories would gain up to 100 seats, but May ran the worst possible campaign revealing herself as a charisma-less robot and Labour ran a positive campaign and their leader Corbyn found some previously unseen political leadership skills. The Green Party sacrificed themselves so as not to draw votes away from other anti-Tory parties that had a chance to win. The press continued in their revolting ways, but fortunately it seems like there has been some returning of the senses to the voters. Also young people realised they were going to get screwed over and actually made the arduous walk to the polling stations.

And so we're in this mess.
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Re: UK general election
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2017, 02:44:03 PM »
Thank you for that excellent summary! 

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Re: UK general election
« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2017, 04:45:41 PM »
Great summary!

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Re: UK general election
« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2017, 12:54:13 PM »
Thumbs up.

Sad to note that you guys are just as screwed up as we are.

Misery loves company.

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Re: UK general election
« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2017, 05:48:41 PM »
Not quite the same, they could have another election instead of being stuck till its supposed to happen.  The PM will probably realise she cant continue and leave.  Very different to your situation in that regard.

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Re: UK general election
« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2017, 05:39:02 PM »
Sad to note that you guys are just as screwed up as we are.

I would say we're more screwed, because the UK's EU membership was on singular, far better terms that pretty much any other nation. We had a much sweeter deal and yet most Brexiters didn't grasp that or those that did, were too wrapped up in their petty jingoism to care. We've lost that now. Its all gone. Its never coming back. Even if Brexit is cancelled, we'll have to renegotiate EU membership and we will be busted down to regular membership.

We've screwed ourselves so very, very badly.