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Title: Season 25: Shard My Pants
Post by: Orbert on December 13, 2021, 10:30:56 AM
I've read up about the new Soul Shards, watched a few videos, and now I have a bunch, and 2 Hellforge Embers.  From what I can tell, they start with a buff and a debuff, and add buffs as you raise their level.  Also, they seem to favor melee characters, which kinda sucks for me, since I favor Demon Hunter and Wizard.

Anyway, with only 2 Embers, I'm a bit wary of using them.  I wish the drop rate was just a little higher for them.  Not a lot, but just a little, since it's a given that you'll use them up, and probably waste a bunch of them as you figure out how they work and with which characters.

But I've started my Demon Hunter.  She's got 100 Paragon Points or so, having some fun.  Haven't used any of the new Shards, though.
Title: Re: Season 25: Shard My Pants
Post by: Orbert on December 15, 2021, 09:33:09 AM
Well, I guess it's just me this season.  I ended up adding one each to my helm and weapon, and made GR70 pretty easily.  Yeah, these things are way powerful.  But hey, it's fun.
Title: Re: Season 25: Shard My Pants
Post by: Sssith on December 15, 2021, 11:34:40 AM
The idea of Sharding my Pants is what is keeping me away from this season. :P
Title: Re: Season 25: Shard My Pants
Post by: Orbert on December 15, 2021, 11:56:29 AM
It's a pretty bad pun, I know.  But three days after the season started, there was still no thread about it (because everyone's busy playing D2R on computers much better than mine) and I had to do something.  Plus, I always thought the word "shard" sounded kinda like... you know.
Title: Re: Season 25: Shard My Pants
Post by: Cluck Kent on December 16, 2021, 12:20:19 PM
I've been playing and have found tons of shards but too few consumables. Something like 25 shards but only 4 consumables and it takes 3 consumables to lvl just one shard. Even then, it's like a 1 in 10 chance you'll get the upgrades you want on the shard so you could need as many as 30 consumables or more to get one fully upgraded shard the way you want it. If I was to guess, I'd say I'm finding one for every 4 hours of game play.

I finally decided to step up and use 3 of my 4 consumables in order to raise one of the shards to lvl 3 and popped it in my bow but didn't notice the mind blowing effects we saw last season with the ethereals. Now I may have done it wrong, it may be wrong for the char, the shard may have not rolled the right attributes, I have no idea and without lots more consumables, it'll be difficult to say for sure. Hopefully they will increase the drop rates so we can play around more with them.

I've just started running higher lvl content, like T16 and GR 85ish so we'll see if the frequency increases and if so by how much.
Title: Re: Season 25: Shard My Pants
Post by: Orbert on December 16, 2021, 03:11:51 PM
Yeah, the RNG on the shards is crazy.  The first upgrade is known, but you have to spend 2 or 3 embers for even a chance that it'll roll the affixes you want.  If you get good rolls, sure the results are killer.  I've got one that my Demon Hunter is using and it rolled +200something to Strength, which blows.  Just knowing that that could've been Dex makes me want to do it all again, which of course means 3 more embers.

Similarly, my Barb is using one and the third upgrade is the dreaded "when you do poison damage..." and she's not doing poison damage.  Both of these took 3 embers/upgrades to get to where it's officially a waste.  The first two upgrades were fine, but just knowing that that third upgrade could have actually been useful means more grinding.  The drop rate on embers is relatively low compared to the shards, which seems kinda backwards.
Title: Re: Season 25: Shard My Pants
Post by: Cluck Kent on December 20, 2021, 12:20:54 PM
My experience rolling shards has been very similar to yours Orbert. However, now that I have been able to do higher lvl GRs, the embers are falling. In fact, I have done several GRs in the 90s and received 2 embers in one run! So at least now I've been able to roll a few more shards and finally make something useful. Don't forget that shards can be used as augments. One shard at lvl 3 is the same as a lvl 125 gem and therefore will net you an extra 625 main stat on any item. Imagine a full set with those augments, that would be an additional 7,500 main stat!

I must say I am impressed with the Monk this season. I ran a GR 107 in 5-6 minutes with only 2 gems, both of which were very low level. No augments, not a ton of paragon, and only one ancient item. Oh, and I haven't been using the more powerful version of the build, I've been using the water ally instead of the fire one. Slow, steady playstyle, not many buttons to press nor timings to co-ordinate at this level. 

A ton of guys have run it to GR 150, if I could get to 130 I'd be very, very happy. I've never had a character anywhere near that in the past, even a non seasonal char. Of course I'd have to switch to the fire ally and do the augments and the playstyle will be much more timing reliant, but it might be worth it.
Title: Re: Season 25: Shard My Pants
Post by: Orbert on December 20, 2021, 03:00:40 PM
Yeah, since I posted that, I managed to get up into GR 70+ and the embers are definitely starting to pile up in my stash.  Of course, that's partly because I'm still wary of using them.  I think I have six or seven now, but I have tons of shards.

I did my now-usual thing of starting with a Demon Hunter, then after she's cranked up the Paragon Points and crafting materials, start a Barb.  Barb completes the IK set and then masters the set dungeon.  First time!  So now, after upgrading gems and stuff, I've already gotten the Stash tab and am on the last leg of the Season Journey.  I need a third Conquest.  Ugh.  I hate anything that has to do with speed, so running Act I to Act V at max level in an hour is probably out.  (Also, what is "max level"?  I could look it up, but wouldn't it just be simpler if they said what it is?)  So now I'm thinking of starting up some Hardcore characters to get the Hardcore version of whatever Conquests I already have.  I know one is called The Thrill (finish a GR45 with no set items) but I don't remember the others.

I'll probably do that, then have some fun messing around with shards.
Title: Re: Season 25: Shard My Pants
Post by: Cluck Kent on December 22, 2021, 04:17:47 PM
I've been blowing through my embers fairly quickly now, although saying that I currently have 4. I usually start either a DH or a Wiz depending on the opening set. This season I watched a vid about how powerful the Monk was going to be and gave that a shot out of the gate on America. Was interesting although the set wasn't nearly as good as the LoD build for quite a long time. I was actually doing T14 with the LoD Monk build before I found enough Sunwuko stuff to make it worthwhile. Now I've got Innas and it is a blast. Even though the meta uses the fire Mystic Ally, I strongly recommend using the water ally as the just destroy stuff and allow you a proper amount of time to open chests and kick corpses while they take care of the killing.

I did start a DH on Europe because with the Shadow set, just 2 pieces are enough to destroy T13.
Title: Re: Season 25: Shard My Pants
Post by: Orbert on December 24, 2021, 05:26:50 PM
I started a hardcore DH on Americas, gonna try to get the Hardcore version of one of the conquests to help with the Season Journey.  I don't see myself mastering eight set dungeons or doing any of the speed-based ones.  He's up to Torment 3 now, soon to be Torment 4.  I forgot how Hardcore is; my first three characters lived an average of like five minutes each.  Ha ha.  Gotta take it easy.  It's a different attitude.
Title: Re: Season 25: Shard My Pants
Post by: Cluck Kent on December 24, 2021, 07:04:52 PM
A different attitude indeed!

I run hot and cold on HC; sometimes it's all I want to play and others times I have no interest at all. One thing I continue to learn over and over again is how quickly I become bored trying to run higher GRs. Once it's taking 7-8 minutes, I feel like I just can't be bothered anymore.
Title: Re: Season 25: Shard My Pants
Post by: Orbert on December 26, 2021, 10:31:31 AM
Wow, that was something!  Got my HC Demon Hunter decked out with Rapid Fire gear (my favorite skill, crossbow = machine gun) and got Super Human, the Hardcore version of The Thrill.

Something I noticed: The Legacy of Dreams gem says it works if you have no set bonuses equipped.  But the requirements for The Thrill and Super Human say you have to run a GR 45 with no set items equipped.  That was annoying, because I had some Ancient items that happened to be set items and I had to swap them out for regular Legendaries.  But I did it last night, after Christmas festivities were concluded.

This rekindled my interest in Hardcore, and I was tempted to finish up the last two achievements in Hardcore just because, but one of the achievements is to get three gems up to 70, and the thought of getting close but then dying really bothers me.  I would have wasted all of that effort.  So I've wimped out and switched back to Softcore (or whatever the opposite of Hardcore is) to get the last two achievements.
Title: Re: Season 25: Shard My Pants
Post by: Cluck Kent on December 26, 2021, 07:40:46 PM
Nice job. It is tricky, remembering to have no set items equipped, I've forgotten many times.

I haven't done anything for a few days, boredom set in. Still mulling a HC character. I guess we'll see.
Title: Re: Season 25: Shard My Pants
Post by: Cluck Kent on January 06, 2022, 07:16:21 PM
Thanks Orbert. Now I have 3 HC characters and they've all done a GR 100 or better.

I started with a DH because I have the most experience with that class and soon had a Gears build that could do GR 95s in 2 minutes. Stocked the larder and started a Monk all decked out with all the extra XP gear and a lvl 65 Legacy of Dreams and 4 cursed chest events later had her at lvl 70. It was the fastest I'd ever done that by a long shot. It didn't take long to find the Inna's set and then GR 100 was a doddle.

Wound up a Wizard, rinse, repeat to a full Hydra set build. I intended to move over to the much more powerful Firebirds set for the run to 100, but since I've never had much luck with that build, decided to stretch and take a chance with the Hydra Wizard and it worked out.

I'm not sure what to do now. I just ticked 800 paragon for the HC season and I'd kind of like to run that up to a 1000 but I'm not sure I could endure the boredom of sheer repetition. I could start a Barb and see if I could get a fourth class to GR100 or a Witch Doctor maybe. Or I could take a run at getting the DH or Monk to GR110. TBD.
Title: Re: Season 25: Shard My Pants
Post by: Orbert on January 06, 2022, 09:34:53 PM
Whoa, nice job!  I might fire up another HC character.  Still trying to get my first GR 100 in softcore.  I build them up to around 75 or 80, then I'm bored and start another character.
Title: Re: Season 25: Shard My Pants
Post by: Orbert on January 06, 2022, 11:25:11 PM
Inspired by this thread, I just ran a GR 100 with my Monk.  Tomorrow I'll have to decide on a new character.
Title: Re: Season 25: Shard My Pants
Post by: Cluck Kent on January 07, 2022, 02:44:02 PM
Well done! I still haven't decided what to do next but as I write this, I can feel I'm leaning a little Barbish.
Title: Re: Season 25: Shard My Pants
Post by: Cluck Kent on January 12, 2022, 09:29:33 AM
So HC Barb it was. Using the Act 2 chest routine, it took me 44 minutes to level my Barb to lvl 70. Most of that time was spend in town. Once at 70, I loaded him up with all the legendaries and ancients I could fit on him and he ran LoD until he had a full set of Bul-Kathos. He could run T14 easily with all the extra defensive buffs I could lay on him and continued until he had a full wrath of the wastes set. Ran a GR 75, no problem; then a GR85, no problem and then went for it and bumped him to a GR100 which he completed easily in about 4 minutes. HC Barb to GR100 complete.

Still to consider: Witch Doctor, Necro and Crusader. I've always found the WD very fragile, ditto the Necro.
Title: Re: Season 25: Shard My Pants
Post by: Orbert on January 12, 2022, 12:06:46 PM
Wow, congrats!

Um, what is "the Act 2 chest routine"?
Title: Re: Season 25: Shard My Pants
Post by: Cluck Kent on January 13, 2022, 08:03:26 PM
It's the area in Act 2 where Vidian is. Normally on the main floor there is a cursed chest - kill 100 enemies. In the process of finding the chest and killing the monsters around the chest and spawned from the chest, the bonus XP is incredible. I start with a Hellfire ring, lvl 70 weapon with a Gem of Ease, Hellfire amulet with a LoD gem. Almost immediately after killing just a few monsters I'm lvl 16-18 and I head back to town to get a helm with a socket in it and either put a top lvl ruby or this season, a lvl 3 special gem. Go back in and kill a few monsters and I'm at lvl 30. I head back to town, grab a Leoric's ring, check my inventory for other low lvl gear, update my skills and head back out and this time stay until I find the chest. By the time I'm done - just a few minutes - I'm at lvl 51-53. Go back to town, reset the game, check my inventory for other stuff I can wear and rinse repeat a couple of times and I'm at lvl 70.

Even when I start the season with my first character, I still go to that Act 2 location and run that chest, but obviously without tall the XP gear it takes longer but it's still the fastest way I've ever found to lvl 70.
Title: Re: Season 25: Shard My Pants
Post by: Orbert on January 13, 2022, 09:51:56 PM
Wow, that sounds worth exploiting, heh heh. :)
Title: Re: Season 25: Shard My Pants
Post by: Cluck Kent on January 17, 2022, 08:57:30 AM
Lost my first HC char of the season, my Crusader, just after I had equipped the entire Akkan's set. Too bad. I should have taken it a bit more slowly and learned more about all the buffs. It took me 29 minutes to get another Crusader to lvl 70 - the fastest I've done it so far and now she's rolling through T12 or GR 55. The biggest loss from the death was a lvl 100 BotT, which will take some time to re-level.
Title: Re: Season 25: Shard My Pants
Post by: Orbert on January 19, 2022, 12:34:32 AM
Ouch.  My condolences.
Title: Re: Season 25: Shard My Pants
Post by: Orbert on January 20, 2022, 11:38:25 AM
After getting four characters up to T16/GR75+, the boredom was setting in, so I went back to my HC Demon Hunter.  I had gotten him up to T10/GR45 for the Conquest, but now I'm trying to get that same build (LoD, no sets) up to T16/GR75.  Scary.  Even the concept of pushing is different in HC.  Don't push too hard!

So he's T11 now, and after a few hours of no significant equipment upgrades (but a bunch of Paragon points), I'm maybe ready for T12.  Easy does it.
Title: Re: Season 25: Shard My Pants
Post by: Cluck Kent on January 21, 2022, 12:16:51 PM
Easy does it indeed. I don't recall how far I've taken an LoD Demon Hunter, I always switch over to gears as soon as possible now. The build is tough, super fast and best of all super maneuverable. It's also not too hard to put together.

Good luck Orbert, I haven't done much since in the last few days except get my BotT back up to nearly lvl100 again. I figure I should take some time and replenish the larder for a bit before I head back into the Crusader although as I write this, I'm seriously thinking about the WD...
Title: Re: Season 25: Shard My Pants
Post by: Orbert on January 22, 2022, 07:22:45 PM
I gave up on the T16 with LoD.  He was fun, but he seemed to plateau at T13.  Played for a while and got no signficant upgrades, so I switched him to M6 Multi-Shot and ran a T16 shortly after.  Running T16/GR75 for a while, I finally got two more Embers, and upgraded a Shard of Hatred, trying to get +Dexterity.  Got frickin' +Intelligence again.  So now I have two of these things, both with +Intelligence, and no Embers left.  So I started a Wizard.  She's into the 60's slog now.  I'll get back to her after dinner.
Title: Re: Season 25: Shard My Pants
Post by: Cluck Kent on January 26, 2022, 01:14:42 PM
The only char I've played T16 with LoD is the Witch Doctor BUT, the LoD gem was lvl 98 so that helps a lot. I took the HC WD to GR85, but I was seriously concerned about staying alive so started a SC version to get a feel. Already run a GR95 with the Arachyr's set but not ready to go back to HC yet.

Have you tried one of the embers with Int? You may find they are still very effective. I find the same thing happens to me,  end up with Holy damage or something equally as useless but I have been very lucky with shards in HC and still have a pile of 28 in my inventory. I did complete a HC GR110 with my DH. I think that's the highest HC I've ever done. I'm paragon 930 roughly HC now, about the same or slightly better than my non season.
Title: Re: Season 25: Shard My Pants
Post by: Orbert on January 26, 2022, 06:04:54 PM
My Wizard graduated to 70 that night, and I've been pushing her (gently) ever since.  Made T16 last night. 

I was wrong about which helm shard I was using; it was Terror, not Hatred.  The +Int was nice, but Shard of Terror is all about cooldowns, and it just wasn't working out, since Wizards don't have many skills that have long cooldowns.  I was casting skills all the time just so they'd be in cooldown, which only lasted 10 seconds or so.  So once I got two more Embers, I upped a Shard of Hatred.  I'd considered that one mostly for melee characters, since the damage is based on how many monsters are within 25 yards.  But it's working out pretty well.  I cast a Frost Hydra, then go stand on it and the bad guys come to me.  They get frozen, and die shortly thereafter.

Remnant of Pain in her wand is working out nicely, too.  The first one I had gave +Holy damage, but my second one rolled a raw +15% to Damage.  I'm saving the +Holy damage one for a possible Monk.

After a couple of Greater Rifts, I had a banner splash a few times that was too fast for me to read; I finally figured out that I was making the Leaderboards.  I was like 218th for Hardcore Wizards using Typhon's, but hey, I made the boards.  It happens so rarely that I didn't realize what it was telling me.
Title: Re: Season 25: Shard My Pants
Post by: Cluck Kent on January 27, 2022, 07:08:22 PM
Interesting use of the Shard of Hatred Orbert! I should experiment more now that I have a fw.

Holy damage would also be good for a Crusader.

I really like the way they have the leader boards broken down now. It's great for several things.

Gotta run, Canadian men's soccer starting now!