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Title: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: dave in the basement on July 19, 2021, 12:05:27 PM
So who's in on S24, which kicks off on July 23 (this Friday)? I'm kicking things off with a barbarian, as I dig the IK set among the free sets available to the different characters.

I'm hoping the ethereal drop rates aren't too terrible, so I can ideally push through and find the three eths on each of the character types so I can keep the D2 transmogs across the board.

Anyone else joining the fun this time around?
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Sssith on July 19, 2021, 02:49:19 PM
Yeah!  This Friday I will probably start up with a Marauder, with an eye on making him a Chieftain.  Give all the nerfs this is not set in stone.

Oh...wait.  Your talking D3 instead of POE.  :P

The new league in POE is starting this Friday as well.  Odd that both games have a new season starting on the same day.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: mn4nu on July 19, 2021, 07:23:57 PM
I thought hell froze over for a minute there.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: dave in the basement on July 19, 2021, 07:39:53 PM
Yeah!  This Friday I will probably start up with a Marauder, with an eye on making him a Chieftain.  Give all the nerfs this is not set in stone.

Oh...wait.  Your talking D3 instead of POE.  :P

The new league in POE is starting this Friday as well.  Odd that both games have a new season starting on the same day.

I'm not smart enough for POE, but I intend on bugging you the next time I give it a go. :D
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Sssith on July 19, 2021, 08:04:36 PM
Happy to help anyone with my meager knowledge of POE.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: syn on July 20, 2021, 07:05:50 PM
i'll probably go for the new pet (little Kaa!) as per usual and see if i can find a few ethereals. doubt i'll have the patience to find them all. that sounds like having to run a character of each class and that isn't going to happen. i tried dipping my toe in POE after i got tired of the last season of d3. POE did not really grab me and i haven't played it in several weeks.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: syn on July 25, 2021, 05:58:14 PM
found the three barb ethereals by paragon level in the 140s. doombringer dropped at level 7 (misremembered. very early, regardless), rode it into the mid 50s. probably far longer than it was actually good for. the other two are both lvl70, dropped within a few minutes of each other. thanks RNG.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: dave in the basement on July 25, 2021, 07:17:15 PM
found the three barb ethereals by paragon level in the 140s. doombringer dropped at level 7 (misremembered. very early, regardless), rode it into the mid 50s. probably far longer than it was actually good for. the other two are both lvl70, dropped within a few minutes of each other. thanks RNG.

Congrats! I still need a Grandfather, and I really need one! I think I've passed a 95 with Gimmershred (sp?) and Echoing Fury doing a hammer of the ancients build. It's fun and pretty fast, but not as smooth as a whirlwind build.

Thankfully I mastered the IK set dungeon, so I got that dreaded task out of the way. :D
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Orbert on July 26, 2021, 12:21:35 AM
I'm in.  Played a little Multiplayer with Mrs. Orbert yesterday, she's a Monk, I'm a Demon Hunter.  Had a Level 8 Ethereal Buriza drop, which was insane.  Damage increase over her current weapon was over 2000%.  It lasted until Level 43, when an Ethereal Windforce dropped.  Okay, I heard that the drop rates were meant to be somewhat reasonable, like not super-rare.  They want you to actually find and use these ridiculous weapons, but two before Level 70 was crazy.  The Windforce lasted into the 60's, but both its Nephalem Power and Passive were pretty useless, so eventually it gave way to a nice rare.

I held onto them after she hit 70, but I couldn't think of a good reason why.  I salvaged the Buriza and got 45 Death's Breaths.  The Windforce yielded 48 or something.  I hope that wasn't a mistake, salvaging them.  Pretty sweet with the Death's Breaths.  I guess that explains the color.

I didn't read up on the season very much, except that I saw a bit about the Ethereal items.  If I'd known that the Barb set was IK, I probably would've gone with a Barb to get the set and thus the easist Set Dungeon that I know of.  But I haven't gotten to Haedrig's Gifts yet, so I still might.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: dave in the basement on July 27, 2021, 07:48:54 PM
Man, well-rolled ethereals can really bring the pain. I used a crappy eth Grandfather on my barb and struggled to finish a GR100 in like 12 minutes. Shortly thereafter I found a much better Grandfather with good bonus skills and worked my way to the leaderboard, finishing a GR110 in like 10:20. Granted I'm only 915 on the leaderboard, but this is the earliest I've been on the board without running one of the classes that few people started with.  :P

I started a DH so I can start gambling my extra blood shards, but I'm not going to play her until I get to at least p800 and get her needed gems leveled up.

If anyone needs any help with anything, please let me know and I'll be happy to assist. Happy ethereal hunting out there!

Dave
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Orbert on July 28, 2021, 06:06:51 PM
My Demon Hunter got an ethereal Doomslinger shortly after reaching Level 70, so she's having a good time.  Just having that and some of the stuff Haedrig could make her got her going, and she now has both Marauder's and Unhallowed Essence sets and is running Torment XII.  I've intentionally held off on completing Chapter II of the Season Journey, though, until I know for sure that my plan will work.

If I understand things correctly, I can keep playing the Demon Hunter while working through Chapter IV and getting all three Haedrig's gifts.  Then I switch to my Barb, get him to Level 70, and open the gifts.  This will give me the complete IK set for the Barb.  I thought I read that Haedrig's Gifts aren't rolled until they're opened, so the set you get is based on the class you open them with, not the one who earned them.  Is that correct? 
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: mn4nu on July 28, 2021, 06:52:26 PM
Orbert, according to this (https://www.reddit.com/r/diablo3/comments/6llk4d/noob_question_about_haedrigs_gift/) you can do that.  I have never done it, so I don't know if it is really true.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Orbert on July 28, 2021, 08:52:36 PM
Thanks!  I tried to find something like that, but couldn't figure out how to set up the search.  Figured it would be easier to find out here, and was correct. :)
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: syn on July 29, 2021, 07:49:39 AM
If I understand things correctly, I can keep playing the Demon Hunter while working through Chapter IV and getting all three Haedrig's gifts.  Then I switch to my Barb, get him to Level 70, and open the gifts.  This will give me the complete IK set for the Barb.  I thought I read that Haedrig's Gifts aren't rolled until they're opened, so the set you get is based on the class you open them with, not the one who earned them.  Is that correct?

yes.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Orbert on July 29, 2021, 04:06:16 PM
Update: It worked! :)
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Orbert on July 29, 2021, 04:14:51 PM
Also, I did the thing where I checked the requirements for Chapter III and Chapter IV and did them before completing Chapter II.  Then when she killed The Butcher or whoever it was she need to finished Chapter II, she got all three.  That was fun.

Something that's just a little bit annoying about the Ethereal weapons.  Stat-wise, they're freakin' awesome, of course.  But for the UE build, you really need a Yang's Recurve because it doesn't just boost Multishot, it also cuts your resource costs in half.  Running around shooting Multishot twice as fast but at full resource cost eats up the Hatred pretty quickly.  Cubing a Yang's gets you the damage boost, but not the resource cost reduction you would normally get with an actual Yang's.  So she had to be extra careful not to overdo it.  I kept hearing Corporal Hicks from "Aliens" saying "Short, controlled bursts".  Good advice.

I'm not sure how many builds really rely on a specific weapon for other than the Nephalem power, but UE Multishot is one of them, and you can't cube both your weapon and off-hand.  Interesting.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Cluck Kent on July 30, 2021, 07:47:50 PM
I didn't know what I was going to do when I started a seasonal Wiz. I think the Hydra Wiz is the best T16 runner I know for my play style. However, it wasn't long before I had all 3 Wizard Ethereals and decided, what the heck, I'm going to shoot for all 21. It's been a long time since I had a reasonably worthy seasonal objective so what the heck. I've now completed 3 more for both the Demon Hunter and Barb for a total of 9.

We'll see how it goes.

I really like the Ethereals that have the right skills and even some without the right skills are very powerful, but I've had several that were pointless for the build I wanted to play. BTW, most of the ones I've found have been in Rifts and most of those were found playing on after the RG was killed.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Orbert on July 31, 2021, 06:55:43 PM
An ethereal Windforce dropped for my Demon Hunter, which solved her resource issues.  I don't know how they choose the mods on ethereal items, but this one seems almost custom-designed to solve the issues I was talking about in my previous post.  It came with 40% resource cost reduction (range was 40%-50%, same as Yang's) and +200% damage to Archery Skills, of which Multishot is one.  Her free passive is even useful (Steady Aim).  So she's using that and keeping the Yang's power in the cube as well, for insane MS damage.  She ran her GR70 easily.  Primal was useless.  I think it was Uskang or Etreyu, which I wouldn't have used anyway.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: dave in the basement on August 01, 2021, 08:43:57 AM
I don't know how they choose the mods on ethereal items

You get one random weapon passive, and one random class passives. Sounds like you got a great combo, which is always fun. I still need an eth Buriza on my DH, then I'll have all three DH eths. After that, on to the monk!
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: syn on August 01, 2021, 06:03:13 PM
So she's using that and keeping the Yang's power in the cube as well, for insane MS damage. 

i thought i saw that the ethereal bonuses don't stack with cubed powers for the same thing, so even tho it's the same bonus on different weapons (Yang's and Windforce), it only applies once. i could be wrong. edit: nm, forgot resource reduction and MS damage were two separate bonuses on Yangs. that bonus plus 200%DH damage should work (?).

i'm debating going for all the eth weapons after all. initially thought it'd be too hard but the drop rates seem far better than i'd have guessed, and i'm pretty played out on the barb at the moment.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: dave in the basement on August 01, 2021, 07:50:30 PM
You are correct, eth bonuses don't stack with the same bonus from weapons.

I don't think the eth drop rates have been too bad, as long as you spend a little quality time with the class. Of course I may change my tune after I spend forever on the WD and don't find diddly shiznit. :D
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Orbert on August 02, 2021, 11:53:55 PM
I don't know how they choose the mods on ethereal items

You get one random weapon passive, and one random class passives. Sounds like you got a great combo, which is always fun. I still need an eth Buriza on my DH, then I'll have all three DH eths. After that, on to the monk!

I get the random weapon power and random class passive.  I was wondering about all the other mods; the list of mods is a mile long.  40-50% resource cost reduction doesn't normally show up on weapons other than Yang's.  I've never seen +200% to Archery skills.  +1 weapon damage per Paragon level I'm pretty sure is something they just came up with for Ethereal weapons.  And so on.  I'm sure there's an article online somewhere that lays out all the possibilities.  I'm just to lazy to Google it.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: dave in the basement on August 03, 2021, 08:38:05 AM
The rest of the modifiers are just tacked on to make them super-powerful, as far as I've read. Every Windforce will have the same list of mods, but the ranges vary. The big roll to keep an eye out for is the damage bonus, which ranges from 75% - 100% IIRC.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Orbert on August 03, 2021, 09:09:32 AM
Ah, then they probably devoted at least some thought as to what those modifiers would be.  In my example, I like the Multishot build, but as powerful as an Ethereal Doomslinger is, it's not a great weapon for that because it doesn't have the resource cost reduction.  But the Ethereal Windforce does, which solves the problem nicely and even throws in +Damage to Archery skills, which happens to include Multishot.  So you can do a Multishot build based on the Ethereal Windforce rather than a Yang's Recurve.

With that in mind, I'm now thinking about actually finding a list to see what the mods are on each Ethereal item.  I tend not to do stuff like that, preferring to hear "about" things that are coming, but not a lot of detail.  That way, when I get one, I can be blown away by what it is/has as opposed to disappointed by what I've heard is possible but didn't get.  Since most builds are centered around a specific weapon, I'm thinking at least one of the three Ethereal weapons for that class has a selection of mods that can cover for it, so you can still have that build.  And scoring the right random Nephalem power just adds to the goodness.

Specifically, I'm thinking about the Whirlybarb, which works because you have a set of weapons that give you the fury recovery for endless whirling.  Presumably one of the Ethereal Barb weapons comes with either massive resource cost reduction or massive resource cost recovery.  I just have to find one.  I already know it's not The Grandfather.

(https://i.imgur.com/5Ay3RcV.jpg)

That's right.  I was wielding one, and two more Ethereal Grandfathers, and one regular one, dropped in the same rift.  I took the picture just because I thought it was crazy to have so many in the same picture, but it actually kinda sorta fit into this conversation, so here it is.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: dave in the basement on August 03, 2021, 09:53:58 AM
If you are pushing, The Grandfather is the way to go, even though it doesn't generate fury like the BK weapons. If I'm running normal rifts, I use the BK weapons for the speed and fury recovery, but for GRs it's The Grandfather all the way. Here is the one I'm currently using:

Edit: Turns out I can't remember how to embed an imgur image. I'll be back when I figure it out! :D
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Pixie on August 06, 2021, 11:47:36 PM
So, I haven't played this game since like season 7. But I had a wild hankering, so I reinstalled it tonight.

Started up a new season barbarian (having never really played one before).

Playing through the story, on normal difficulty.

Some random schlub gave me a pretty good drop for a new level 8 character with barely 2 gold pieces to rub together... (https://i.imgur.com/oACBrNN.jpg)

Edit: skimming back over the thread now, I guess maybe these things drop like candy now so it's not as neat as I thought? But still, I was entertained.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: dave in the basement on August 07, 2021, 08:03:51 AM
So, I haven't played this game since like season 7. But I had a wild hankering, so I reinstalled it tonight.

Started up a new season barbarian (having never really played one before).

Playing through the story, on normal difficulty.

Some random schlub gave me a pretty good drop for a new level 8 character with barely 2 gold pieces to rub together... (https://i.imgur.com/oACBrNN.jpg)

Edit: skimming back over the thread now, I guess maybe these things drop like candy now so it's not as neat as I thought? But still, I was entertained.

Welcome back! Ethereals like you found don't drop too frequently once you hit 70, but they seem to drop frequently enough to keep me/you interested. :) Feel free to hit me up in game if I can help with anything!
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Pixie on August 08, 2021, 12:09:57 AM
Barbarians are a lot of fun. Who knew?
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: mn4nu on August 08, 2021, 12:11:10 PM
I decided to play a little bit this season because of the ethereal items.  I started a wizard and have found 2 of the oculus items.  They are pretty powerful.  I'm just messing around this season, so no trying to get the season journey completed.  I would like to find some more ethereal items though.

Also, I'm using the firebird set on the wizard (just 4 piece for now) and it is pretty powerful so far.  I'm not sure when they changed this set, but it seems much more playable now than it used to be.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Orbert on August 09, 2021, 11:20:55 AM
Ethereals are fun.  Crazy powerful in some ways, but tempered by RNG wackiness.  Had "Khalim's Will" (Crusader Flail) drop for my Demon Hunter, so I decided my next character would be a Crusader.  I wasn't even planning on doing one this season, but what the heck.  I used a Level 25 Gem of Ease to remove the level requirement, did the same with some Level 70 socketed helm just so I could put a huge Ruby in it, and crafted a Hellfire Ring of Strength (+45% exp, no level requirement), and even with all that, my Crusader was still a slog.  I think she made it to her 30's or so before I got bored.  Oh well.  Went back to my Wizard, who I'd started but was running rifts with my Demon Hunter to build up crafting materials for.  Wizard is doing nicely.  She's still looking for her first Ethereal.

Finished my Season Journey this morning.  Yay me.  I really need to take a break though, because I have other stuff I really should be doing.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: dave in the basement on August 09, 2021, 12:06:23 PM
Ethereals are fun.  Crazy powerful in some ways, but tempered by RNG wackiness.  Had "Khalim's Will" (Crusader Flail) drop for my Demon Hunter, so I decided my next character would be a Crusader.  I wasn't even planning on doing one this season, but what the heck.  I used a Level 25 Gem of Ease to remove the level requirement, did the same with some Level 70 socketed helm just so I could put a huge Ruby in it, and crafted a Hellfire Ring of Strength (+45% exp, no level requirement), and even with all that, my Crusader was still a slog.  I think she made it to her 30's or so before I got bored.  Oh well.  Went back to my Wizard, who I'd started but was running rifts with my Demon Hunter to build up crafting materials for.  Wizard is doing nicely.  She's still looking for her first Ethereal.

Finished my Season Journey this morning.  Yay me.  I really need to take a break though, because I have other stuff I really should be doing.

Hit me up in game if you'd like me to powerlevel your Crusader. That's my least favorite class to level, so I can see where you are coming from.

I'm working on gathering the eths for the Necro now, and will be heading to the WD next. Thankfully I just had an Arioc's Needle drop while leveling gems on my barb, so that should help immensely. :)
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Orbert on August 09, 2021, 05:01:47 PM
Thanks for the offer.  I have stuff coming up this weekend that I really need to prepare for, then I'll be gone until next week, that's why I had to finish up my Season Journey this morning.  I can't in good conscience play much D3 when I have actual stuff to do.  But I probably will a little. ;) If the mood strikes, I'll probably play my Wizard.  But I'll remember your offer regarding my Crusader.  I'm not sure what it is about that class; everything just seems so... tedious.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Melchior on August 22, 2021, 06:19:59 PM
Finished the seasonal journey with my necro. Ended up with an LOD Mages build that was fairly strong with an ethereal weapon. Did Years of War for my 3rd conquest as it doesn't require luck, just have to play/grind a bit.

They definitely need to make the journey longer or more difficult though, as much as I enjoy the seasons, they're getting shorter and shorter for me, and I don't really play all that much. I guess if you care about the leaderboards it might be different, but for me once the journey is done, the season is over.

I will probably switch to D2R when its fully released.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: dave in the basement on August 23, 2021, 08:04:50 AM
Finished the seasonal journey with my necro. Ended up with an LOD Mages build that was fairly strong with an ethereal weapon. Did Years of War for my 3rd conquest as it doesn't require luck, just have to play/grind a bit.

They definitely need to make the journey longer or more difficult though, as much as I enjoy the seasons, they're getting shorter and shorter for me, and I don't really play all that much. I guess if you care about the leaderboards it might be different, but for me once the journey is done, the season is over.

I will probably switch to D2R when its fully released.

I finished the journey as well, while grinding GRs for eths. Still need all of them on the wizard and crusader.

Every time I think about them needing to extend the season journey, I remember my buddy Fett who has only gotten past the part of the set dungeon mastery once, and that was when I dragged him through it.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Orbert on August 23, 2021, 11:31:23 AM
Finally got my Hammersader to reasonable playability.  I think the problem with most Crusader builds is that the two-piece and four-piece set bonuses don't do much, so you're still slogging along with some slightly better equipment, then you get the six-piece bonus and suddenly you can kill things reasonably well.  Only then can you actually enjoy doing runs.  My Crusader started with an Ethereal Khalim's Will with some kind of bonus to Hammers, and I figured it would be a piece of cake, but it was still immensely tedious until she got the full Seeker of the Light set.  Then it got bearable.  Then she managed to get the Valor set, and another Ethereal dropped, but it too kinda sucked (honestly, I don't even remember what it was or what's on it), so she's still using Khalim's Will because it does some great damage.  But the whole thing overall feels badly balanced, because she's using a killer weapon meant for a different build.  Oh well.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Supermatt on August 23, 2021, 06:06:07 PM
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Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: dave in the basement on August 23, 2021, 07:52:48 PM
Good luck, Orbert! I finally had one of the Wiz eths drop, so once I find the other two, I'll be joining the Crusader fun with you. It'll probably be a while, though. I have the thorns set and the newish set as well, so I'll be going with one of those (probably thorns) to kick off the party. I think I have the thorns gem leveled to around 70, so that should help get a decent start.

Thanks for setting up the discord, Supermatt! I joined it, but I am super discord-illiterate, so you have been warned. :D
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Cluck Kent on August 23, 2021, 09:12:24 PM
In my pursuit for the ethereal recollection achievement, I found the first 18 in 14 days and was left with my least compatible character, the Necro. I probably just don't take the time to understand how to play it but to me it's much more tricky than most of the other characters to play. Most of the builds require long cool down skills with small damage windows and I haven't enjoyed any of the builds I've tried. The new set, Masquerade of the Burning Carnival is different and quite powerful but slow and plodding. I continuously get stuck in doorways and if there is more than one enemy standing there, I'm sure to get stuck behind them also.

After 7 more days playing exclusively the Necro, I had found 6 ethereals but still not the scythe.  Took a few days off and played around with my demon hunter for a few days and tonight settled in for a long night of GRs with the Necro, fresh and determined to finish it off. It dropped at the end of the first GR of the night.

It was a fun objective and I found many duplicate ethereals along the way. It was frustrating sometimes to find them and they didn't have the skill I needed for the build I had, but they were always powerful anyway. In several cases, I never did end up finding the correct skill for the class and build I was playing which was too bad.

I did salvage a few, though, and was surprised by how many souls and dbs I received for just one item so be sure to salvage what you find before the end of the season and collect the mats.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: mn4nu on August 24, 2021, 04:59:14 PM
Congrats on finding them all Cluck!
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: dave in the basement on August 24, 2021, 05:03:45 PM
gg CK! I hope to join you, but it's going to take a while!  :P
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: dave in the basement on September 07, 2021, 07:45:26 AM
I finally finished gathering all of the ethereals. I cheesed the last two wizard eths I needed, and then got the Crusader eths the traditional way. I had my first two Crusader eths drop on my 2nd and 4th GRs, so that was great! It took quite a while to get the third eth to drop, but I had fun playing the bombard build so it wasn't too bad.

Now I'm going to play a little Civilization 6 before going back to some flavor of Diablo in a week or two. Happy hunting out there!

Dave
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Orbert on September 07, 2021, 02:33:24 PM
I've got four to go, after picking one up earlier today.  I'm still doing it all using the old Grind 'n' Find method.  I probably will just stick with that, because finding them all just doesn't seem like a high priority to me, although right now I don't have anything else to shoot for, which is why I'm trying to do it at all.  This morning I still had two Wizard items to find, so the decision which class to grind was easy.  Now I'm missing one each from four different classes, so it will feel "grindier".  But we do what we must.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Orbert on September 08, 2021, 01:58:01 PM
Decided to play my Crusader, because it's (still) my least favorite class, and I didn't want to get "stuck" playing it for hours trying to complete the collection, if it came to that.  That seemed like a potentially double-bad scenario.  After a GR, that lovely teal swirly showed up and I thought "Please..." and it was... a Ballista?  Yep, a Buriza-do-Kyannon dropped for my Crusader.  And of course to make matters worse, I already have one.  Demon Hunter is one of the classes for which I already have all three.

But the RNG gods were smiling on me, and it was only a few rifts later that the Caduceus (Astreon's Iron Wand) dropped.  Crusader done.  Yay.

Played my Barb next, and got the Gimmershred on the very first rift!  Flying axes.  Hmm... haven't even thought about ThrowBarbs in D3.  Is there such a thing?

Anyway, just two to go.  Still need a Wizardspike and a Gidbinn.  I'm not a huge Witch Doctor fan, but they're alright, and I do like Wizards, so I'm playing the Witch Doctor now.  Good times.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Sssith on September 13, 2021, 04:42:35 PM
Well I started a DH to fill some time while I wait for D2 to go live.

Just started Act V with her.  Died once, mainly because I am out of practice, and let myself get trapped.  Not sure if I will be able to finish the first four chapters before next Thursday.  I imagine I should be able.  I doubt I will be able to get the new set in that time to switch to the GoD build.  I will probably have my hands full figuring out the best variant for the Nat set.

Looking forward to killing Adria.  Bitch.

Oh and I found an Buriza very early on.  It carried me into Act III I believe.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Orbert on September 14, 2021, 10:59:44 AM
Man, this is getting annoying!  Hours and hours of Witch Doctor rifts and bounties, finally got an etheral drop and it's one I already have.  More hours and hours, nothing more.  Gimme Gidbinn!!

I actually looked up how to do the cheesy thing I'd heard about.  For now, I will abstain.  But if they announce the end of season is coming and I still don't have them all, I might have to do it.  It's not the achievement itself; it's the satisfaction of doing it the "right way".
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Timinator on September 14, 2021, 04:47:31 PM
are you trying to get an item drop vs gamble with shards? or was there an upgrade from rare thing?  I think all options are features in game right?  Do you remember 2012.  I spent a few months before my first leg ever dropped
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Orbert on September 15, 2021, 01:31:19 PM
According to everything I've found online, you can't gamble them, and you can't get them via "crafting" (which I assume means using the cube to upgrade from a rare).  They have to drop, either from a monster, chest, or breakable.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: dave in the basement on September 15, 2021, 01:48:06 PM
According to everything I've found online, you can't gamble them, and you can't get them via "crafting" (which I assume means using the cube to upgrade from a rare).  They have to drop, either from a monster, chest, or breakable.

This is correct, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Sssith on September 15, 2021, 03:52:05 PM
Finished the story with my DH.  Finished chapter 1 & 2.  Should be easy to finish 3&4 in a week.  Because in a week and 1 day I will be back to D2.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Orbert on September 15, 2021, 05:08:00 PM
According to everything I've found online, you can't gamble them, and you can't get them via "crafting" (which I assume means using the cube to upgrade from a rare).  They have to drop, either from a monster, chest, or breakable.

This is correct, unfortunately.

Thanks, Dave, you're my hero.  But I was responding to the Timinator, who seemed to be implying that there were other ways (although I'm still not sure what 2012 has to do with it).
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Timinator on September 15, 2021, 05:56:29 PM
Hi Orbert

Sorry for the confusion, had no idea of the limitations to get them. 

As for the 2012 thing, I was reminded of the HORRIBLE drop rates before Loot 2.0.   
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Orbert on September 15, 2021, 06:28:35 PM
Ah, now I get it.  Original loot drops were rough.

I guess horrible is in the eyes of the beholder, though.  Since they didn't drop all the time, their rarity actually made them special and valuable.  Nowadays with everything so overpowered, I run rifts, and after a quick glance at my inventory, whip through and salvage a dozen shinies without even looking at the stats.  The number of shinies I've salvaged without even a glance is probably in the thousands.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Cluck Kent on September 15, 2021, 07:28:19 PM
How in the world do you cheese an eth?

Orbert, I'm finally getting to a place where I can salvage a lot without looking at the stats. I've made piece with the fact that I'm not likely to run much non-season anymore so I'm not concerned about what I keep at the end of season except for mats.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: dave in the basement on September 15, 2021, 07:49:53 PM
How in the world do you cheese an eth?

You level a character to like level 10 and then use a puzzle ring in the cube to hit Greed's realm, ideally on T6 to increase drop rates. I don't remember the exact details, but at that low a level, eths have the highest drop rates.

I found it to be a great sanity saver.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Orbert on September 16, 2021, 12:41:00 AM
The way I understand it is this:  You need the cooperation of at least one other player.  You start a new character and, using a Gem of Ease (not exactly required, but very helpful), get this character to Level 12.  The pool of available legendaries that can drop is still quite small, but ethereals can drop, so effectively your odds of getting an ethereal is highest.  You start a new game with this Level 12 character.  Someone else at least four levels higher joins the game.  This "locks" the game at Level 12.  Your friend stays in the game, but you leave and return with the character whose class you need ethereals for.  Doesn't matter if you're Level 70 or what; the game is locked at Level 12.  Run goblin vaults or regular nephalem rifts.  These have the best drops per time.  I saw the numbers but don't remember exactly, but the odds of a legendary being ethereal is around 10% or so.  So within an hour or two (usually less), you'll have collected all the ethereals for that class.  Rinse and repeat for each class.

I did not do that this evening, but did run an ancient goblin vault and got my Gidbinn.  Just have the Wizardspike to go now.

Switched to my wizard, and she got another Occulus.  The frustrating thing with ethereals is that they do ridiculous damage, but if your build depends on a specific weapon with a specific nephalem power, even the crazy damage from an ethereal doesn't necessarily make up for not using the right weapon.  My wizard is running a Typhon's build, which needs both the Serpent Sparker and the Fragment of Destiny powers (wield one, cube the other).  The Occulus dropped with the Fragment of Destiny power, so I was able to switch to it and take advantage of 35% more damage.  Another Mang Song's Lesson dropped, too.  Grrr.  Still need that Wizardspike.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: dave in the basement on September 16, 2021, 07:31:12 AM
I easily found the 2 wizard eths on my own, but if you want to keep the level at 12 or whatever, you do need a second person to snapshot the level.

Here's more information, if people are curious: https://maxroll.gg/resources/s24-theme-ethereals

For those out of the loop, Maxroll is probably the best source for things D3 related at this point.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: syn on September 16, 2021, 09:16:10 AM
got 2 eths left to find. stupid freaking battle cestus is elusive. my monk's found 2 necro AND 2 crusader ethereals and multiple talons and bartucs, but not the stupid cestus.  got all the necro ethereals without having to play a necro, and 2 of the 3 crusader ethereals the same way. almost there...

edit: i complain and it drops (after another talon and bartucs). khalim's will left.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Cluck Kent on September 16, 2021, 09:42:02 PM
I wish I had known when I was down to just my Necro. It was the only class that was frustrating and it was really frustrating. Thanks for the info. I'm still toying with trying again on Europe - I already have the Demon Hunter and Wizard done, but I'm not sure. This little trick does interest me.

I believe the idea with the gem of ease to to help get a char to level 31 and roll for puzzle rings. It sounded like you'd want several for each character.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: dave in the basement on September 17, 2021, 09:31:32 AM
I'm still toying with trying again on Europe.

I thought about that as well, until it took for Hell-and-ever to find the eths on my necro and wizard. Not happening for me! :P  Good luck if you give it a go, though.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Sssith on September 17, 2021, 11:01:10 AM
Working on Chapter 4.  I forgot that this one is the one that needs a little bit of grinding to get done.  Might or might not make the cutoff for next Thursday.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: dave in the basement on September 17, 2021, 11:18:57 AM
Working on Chapter 4.  I forgot that this one is the one that needs a little bit of grinding to get done.  Might or might not make the cutoff for next Thursday.

Any particular reason you are working on the story? You can burn through the chapters in adventure mode, but I figured there was a method to your madness.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Sssith on September 17, 2021, 12:40:37 PM
Nah...just madness.  I hadn't done the story in a long time, so I just wanted to run through it.

I also find grinding bounties and rifts a bit meh at times.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: syn on September 17, 2021, 06:18:34 PM
Might or might not make the cutoff for next Thursday.

is the season ending, or is that just when D2R comes out?
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Sssith on September 18, 2021, 11:32:57 PM
Just when D2R comes out.  I am going to switch over to that.

Playing D3 has been a nice little refresher, but I have to say I don't love it.  I enjoyed in then and having an ok time now, but I will happily switch to D2R on Thursday.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Orbert on September 19, 2021, 07:53:24 AM
I got my Wizardspike last night!  The Ethereal one, completing the Feat of Strength, of course.  This was after several more D3 Wizardspikes and, frustratingly, yet another Mang Song's Lesson and another Oculus.  But it's done, and I'm glad I didn't have to do the cheesy thing.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: syn on September 19, 2021, 02:55:44 PM
grats. RNG must know i'm done for the season after the khalim's flail drops. several more caduceus and mighty scepters, tho.  :-\
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Sssith on September 19, 2021, 04:47:49 PM
Need some expert wisdom here.  I finally got one of the pieces for my DH build Sin Seekers.  The big benefit is no channeling cost on my Rapid Fire and a boost to its damage.  That said now I don't have anything that is generating hatred.

I have been mostly following this build: https://maxroll.gg/guides/natalya-rapid-fire-demon-hunter-guide

While I don't have everything lined up like the build I still don't see how the build is generating hatred.

Aside from that question I am also puzzled that I am sometime run out of Hatred when I am just using Rapid Fire.  I thought the whole point was that Sin Seekers don't use it.  Colored me confused.

Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Orbert on September 19, 2021, 11:52:03 PM
Sin Seekers removes the channeling cost of Rapid Fire, but there's still the 20 hatred initial cost each time you use it.  If you tend to use Rapid Fire in short bursts, each burst has an initial hatred cost.  Try to use more long, sweeping sprays.  After the initial cost, you're free to keep spraying.

I've looked at that build before, and never understood how you're supposed to generate hatred, either.  I guess it depends on your natural hatred recovery and not spending it faster than that.  I think Vengeance cranks up your hatred recovery along with the other boosts, so that probably helps.  It's a tricky build, though.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Sssith on September 20, 2021, 10:50:23 AM
Thanks that is helpful.

It is also pretty interesting.  That would mean I am standing still a lot and just vaulting to get out of a spot.  The Rapid Fire is on the left click which encourages short bursts.  Vaulting is the way to move then.  Which also helps explain the rational for lots of Discipline skills.  It also helps explain the use of Compass Rose (I think that is the name of the item set).  I thought it an odd choice to boost damage when standing still but again this helps to explain why.

I do see some weapons having mods that help with the generation of Hatred maybe it depends on that.

You would think that they would spell it out more clearly in the build guide how this is supposed to work.  For now I have Grenade in my fourth slot with the rune that generates extra hatred.  A couple of quick throws and you are back up and running.  Doesn't matter if you throw it at nothing.

Still, a good guide should explain these mechanics and the trouble with generating hatred.

Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Orbert on September 20, 2021, 11:12:31 AM
I played around with my characters on Americas a bit, but somehow after getting the Achievement for all 21 ethereals, it felt anticlimactic.  So I hopped over to Europe and started a new Seasonal character, just to keep myself amused until D2R drops.

The RNG gods continue to fuck with me.  I started a Demon Hunter at Master level, and was plowing through, little by little.  First character in a new Season is always like that.  I'm thinking now would be a cool time for an Ethereal to drop.  Massive damage to make the next several levels fly.  Zing!  An Ethereal Ballista!

Buriza-do-Kyannon, Level 9.  Numbers were insane, of course.  Something like +1250% to Damage and +350% to Toughness compared to the bow I was using.  And best of all, 2 extra Sentries and Custom Engineering for the Passive.  Imagine, a Nephalem power and a Passive that actually compliment each other.  Time for some killer Sentries!

Except you can't even get Sentries until Level 25.

I moved it up to Torment 2, and with the absurd damage an Ethereal can do at this level, the next couple dozen levels flew by.  I was afraid that by Level 25, the Buriza would start to show its limitations, but it was still pretty effective until I got into the 50's.  At 51, a yellow one-handed crossbow dropped and all the numbers were green.  Damage was like 10% higher than the Buriza, Toughness was up, Recovery was up.  The Sentries which had started off destroying everything before I ever needed to fire a shot were lagging by now, so I was okay ditching the boosts and switching weapons.  He's into the 60's slog now.  Ugh.  Well, like I said, hopefully just something to keep me amused until D2R.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Sssith on September 20, 2021, 02:58:00 PM
That sounds like my experience with the DH.  I think I back off a little before you did though.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Cluck Kent on September 20, 2021, 07:16:13 PM
Hey Sssith,

I had a look at that guide and I'm not sure it's doing that build justice. It's geared for high GR pushing which means it's not optimal for T16 rifts and bounties and GRs up to about 100.

This build doesn't require BotS to kill RGs under 100-105. It's still a useful gem in the build but at levels under 100 RGs die pretty quickly from my experience. With an Eth weapon, they should be mincemeat. Also Taeguk is a gem that is very useful both offensively and defensively for this build.

The guide suggests the play style is stop and fire for at least 5 seconds. It's during that 5 seconds plus that your hatred is supposed to regenerate back to full.

Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Sssith on September 20, 2021, 08:15:22 PM
Thanks for the info!  :D
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Orbert on October 27, 2021, 10:50:24 AM
What, is this Season still going?!

So my poor old PC was struggling to run D2R to the point where it just wasn't fun.  Nice little nostalgia trip I'll probably revisit if/when I upgrade my PC again.  In the meantime, I went back to D3.

My European Demon Hunter ended up trying both the Marauder (sentries) and Unhallowed Essence (multishot) Set Dungeons, but just couldn't master them.  I hate the Set Dungeons that rely on sheer dumb luck.  The Marauder dungeon fails if any enemy gets within melee range.  Those stupid sandworms can show up on the map and zip over and pop up right next to you in less than a second, causing you to fail.  What a pain in the ass.  So after trying that one four or five times, I tried the UE dungeon.  Kill 20 or more with a single Multishot, six times.  Again, totally up to chance whether or not they're grouped nicely for you.  Lots of 17's and 18's, no 19's, but a couple of 20+, not enough to Master.  Gave that one up after three or four tries.  Demon Hunter is easily the class I play the most, but I've never mastered any DH Set Dungeon, and still haven't.

I usually just make a Barbarian, get him to 70, and grind until I have the Immortal King set.  Then master the dungeon.  It's easy, but it does have the virtue of actually relying on your skill and not pure fucking chance.

Since the end of the Season hasn't even been announced yet (probably everybody is busy playing D2R) I thought I'd see if I had time to do it.  Finished the Wrath of the Whirlywastes set first, and with a little help from an Etheral Grandfather, ran Rifts and Bounties until I had the Savages set.  Switched to Savage Frenzy just because it's faster.  Kept grinding until I had the full IK set.

Mastered the IK Set Dungeon this morning on the second try.  Went up two levels in the Season Journey; I don't remember their names.  Onward and upward.  It's good to have goals.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: dave in the basement on October 27, 2021, 11:45:26 AM
Nice work, Orbert! Hopefully you'll have enough time on EU to grab those transmogs or just have a fun time.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Orbert on October 27, 2021, 03:36:00 PM
Thanks.  Yeah, right now I'm trying to kill Queen Aranae in 30 seconds or less.  I tried several times with my DH, Googled it, found out I should be using my HoTA Barb, which is what my IK Barb ended up being.  So... next time.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Cluck Kent on October 28, 2021, 11:57:23 AM
Hey Orbert, not a fan of random set dungeons either. I have found Nat's to be the easiest DH set dungeon. I usually get the mastery on the first or second try.
Title: Re: Season 24 - Ethereal Memory
Post by: Orbert on October 28, 2021, 02:41:27 PM
Ha ha, I actually finished Nat's set first, but didn't think to try her Set Dungeon.  I guess I got M6 and UE stuck in my head because I play those builds.  I rarely play the Nat's build.  I should check it out sometime.