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Title: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: dave in the basement on January 18, 2018, 07:55:31 PM
No idea how long it will last, but right now I'm having fun goofing around in 1.07 with a sorc. Hopefully I'll get to run some racks eventually.  :P

Anyone remember much about 1.07?

I'd love to run some 1.09 and 1.10 (at least) if I can find a good version switcher. Need to track down some sort of ATMA, too.
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: Timinator on January 19, 2018, 12:24:39 AM
Gg Dave.

Some faqs around. Cold mastery breaks immunity. Static field doesnít stop!  Full purple bug. No min level for the ancients reward!
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: mn4nu on January 19, 2018, 06:42:49 AM
OMG!
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: Sssith on January 19, 2018, 04:31:13 PM
Sounds good.  Maybe you will finally finish off that HC Trapper that you were too scared to continue.

:P
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: TheNix on January 19, 2018, 04:47:00 PM
If you don't mind some cheese, there is a bugged crafting formula in 1.07 that can give you up to 35 mana points per kill (MPK bug).
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: dave in the basement on January 20, 2018, 02:22:51 PM
Sounds good.  Maybe you will finally finish off that HC Trapper that you were too scared to continue.

:P

She got lonely after the rest of you louts got yourselves killed off.  :P
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: dave in the basement on January 20, 2018, 02:26:47 PM
My might sorc Tempest is now level 10 and is working her way through the Jail in act 1. I really need the cube to help cut down on my overflowing stash!

Does anyone have a link to ATMA? And does it work in 1.07?

I finally got the version switcher fired up, but I'm going to try to hang in 1.07 for awhile.
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: TheNix on January 20, 2018, 04:21:06 PM
ATMA works with 1.07, but IIRC crafted items will cause major problems with it.

http://atma.incgamers.com/

Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: Sssith on January 20, 2018, 05:20:33 PM
Impressive that it is still available and works on W10.  I am assuming it does.  Not sure I would want to install the version of .Net that it needs.
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: dave in the basement on January 21, 2018, 07:57:06 AM
Thanks for the ATMA info! Andariel is dead and I have now made my way into act 2.

Which merc would you recommend for my sorc? I'm thinking Act 2 defensive, but I'd definitely love to hear some opinions.
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: dave in the basement on January 21, 2018, 07:17:55 PM
I switched my merc for an Act 2 defensive merc.

I finally rescued the Horadric Cube and dispatched Duriel (after dying many many times!) and have made my way to act 3. I believe I'm level 20 or 21, and so far the only legendary or set item I have found is the Arctic Belt.

Runes have thankfully started appearing, and I look forward to hopefully making a runeword or two before too terribly long.

Is it  safe to assume that once you socket an item with something, there is no way to retrieve the gem/jewel/rune? I think so, but I'm not positive.

Onward!
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: Timinator on January 21, 2018, 10:53:30 PM
This ainít d3 mate!
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: dave in the basement on January 25, 2018, 05:57:32 AM
The Flayer Dungeon proved to be quite challenging and I died far too many times. My tireless mercenary Razan is a killing machine, but sadly he is incapable of walking in a straight line and gets distracted at every possible opportunity.

Onward to Lower Kurast!
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: dave in the basement on January 25, 2018, 07:16:49 AM
ATMA works with 1.07, but IIRC crafted items will cause major problems with it.

http://atma.incgamers.com/

Any idea which version of ATMA I should use with 1.07?
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: GalaXyHaXz on January 25, 2018, 09:32:18 AM
Don't forget about rings with 35% LL!  :D

Hey, I made an update to ATMA (http://www.mediafire.com/file/kqihic7thjfcbob/ATMA_V_113.7z) and I recommend you use that. It fixes compatibility with 1.13. Also, if you are serious about 1.07, don't forget the updated drop calculator (http://www.mediafire.com/file/foxlf50ch91nu3b/d2-atma_dropfix.zip) as well. ATMA's drop calc for 1.07-1.08 was full of bugs but most are fixed now.
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: dave in the basement on January 27, 2018, 07:16:59 AM
Don't forget about rings with 35% LL!  :D

Hey, I made an update to ATMA (http://www.mediafire.com/file/kqihic7thjfcbob/ATMA_V_113.7z) and I recommend you use that. It fixes compatibility with 1.13. Also, if you are serious about 1.07, don't forget the updated drop calculator (http://www.mediafire.com/file/foxlf50ch91nu3b/d2-atma_dropfix.zip) as well. ATMA's drop calc for 1.07-1.08 was full of bugs but most are fixed now.

Thanks on all counts! I could use some LL rings right about now! :D

Meph is down and I'm slowly winding my way through Act 4. I finally have Blizzard in my arsenal, but I'm still very much a glass cannon.
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: mn4nu on February 03, 2018, 10:20:22 AM
Inspired by Dave, I've been playing a little D2 the past couple of days.  I've been doing Baal runs using my hammerdin, and found a griswold corona from an elite oblivion knight in WSK3!  The loot hunt in D2 never goes away it seems.   
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: syn on February 03, 2018, 11:52:48 AM
geez, you guys are making me think about reinstalling that thing.
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: mn4nu on February 03, 2018, 12:38:36 PM
geez, you guys are making me think about reinstalling that thing.
Do it!  Other things I've found today:  Steel Pillar, Metalgrid, Stormlash, Mavina's Caster!!!!
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: Timinator on February 03, 2018, 01:28:36 PM
I did a few runs last night, nothing worth mentioning. Gg mn4nu on the lash! Also steel pillar is a missing grailer for me :p
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: dave in the basement on February 11, 2018, 07:01:16 AM
I've been doing some (a ton) of Pindle and Meph runs with my blizzard sorc. I don't remember much of what is considered good any more, but I did get Tal's Laquered Plate and an IK Stone Crusher, so those were cool. I also got Bartuc's for the 'sin I'm working on, so that was nice. :)
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: Timinator on February 11, 2018, 05:14:24 PM
Dave!

Tal's armour is awesome, its 2nd to top TC, so rarer to drop.  It has lots of good benefits and the rest of the set isn't too hard to drop except the ammy.  IK Maul drops as often as Tyreals in D3!  I use them for Iron Golems in D2 :D

Bartucs is great for the middle stages of any sin!  Keep it up!
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: mn4nu on April 10, 2018, 07:40:42 AM
I've been playing a sorceress on Battlenet off and on for awhile now.  Started from scratch, so it has really been challenging.  I forgot how difficult parts of this game can be if you are untwinked (normal Duriel).  I finally finished nightmare yesterday.  Not sure why I am doing this, as I don't plan to really get into D2 again, but it has been a fun distraction.
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: Darkness on April 10, 2018, 08:31:17 AM
I keep pondering revisiting the glory days of 1.09 but, I don't know if I could get my old disks to work.
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: mn4nu on April 10, 2018, 11:05:39 AM
I keep pondering revisiting the glory days of 1.09 but, I don't know if I could get my old disks to work.
If you have the activation code, you can sign into your blizzard account and register the game with them.  Then you can download and install the game without the disks.
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: Timinator on April 10, 2018, 01:40:05 PM
Version switchers, no CD fixes help too. Can post links if you are keen
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: Darkness on April 10, 2018, 02:43:23 PM
Version switchers, no CD fixes help too. Can post links if you are keen

Would be handy.

I do have a version of the game on the USB stick that came with the D3 collectors edition.
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: Timinator on April 10, 2018, 05:54:21 PM
That is after what you need, having most of the files is handy
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: mn4nu on April 19, 2018, 10:59:08 AM
I installed PlugY and started a new sorceress to try it out.  So far so good.
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: Timinator on April 19, 2018, 07:58:38 PM
I installed PlugY and started a new sorceress to try it out.  So far so good.

isn't that the one that will corrupt you, you grow hair on your palms, you go blind and it ruins your soul?  Or was that just overreaction?
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: mn4nu on April 20, 2018, 06:52:48 AM
I installed PlugY and started a new sorceress to try it out.  So far so good.

isn't that the one that will corrupt you, you grow hair on your palms, you go blind and it ruins your soul?  Or was that just overreaction?
It better be overreaction or else I'm screwed!  One thing I don't miss about D2 is having to do the same thing 3 different times.  At least D3 got that right.
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: Timinator on April 20, 2018, 09:06:52 AM
Eventually. Remember when you had to do it four times not three!
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: mn4nu on April 20, 2018, 11:57:13 AM
Eventually. Remember when you had to do it four times not three!
The game was so hard back then doing it a fourth time wasn't really possible.
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: lemming on April 20, 2018, 02:10:54 PM
PlugY's not kosher by SPF standards, for what it's worth.

I don't think I'd want to use it for inventory management anyway, since GoMule is so much more powerful.
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: mn4nu on April 23, 2018, 09:47:11 AM
PlugY's not kosher by SPF standards, for what it's worth.

I don't think I'd want to use it for inventory management anyway, since GoMule is so much more powerful.
I don't care about the SPF.  I haven't visited there in years, but thanks for the info.  I agree inventory management is not as convenient as GoMule, but that's not why I'm using PlugY.
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: TheNix on April 30, 2018, 07:40:03 AM
Do you know you cannot even say "PlugY" at the SPF?  There was a brief hope that a breathe of fresh air was going to blow through, but it was snuffed out pretty quickly.
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: mn4nu on April 30, 2018, 08:19:02 AM
So, PlugY is like "Voldemeort"?  ;)
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: TheNix on April 30, 2018, 07:51:18 PM
So, PlugY is like "Voldemeort"?  ;)

Don't laugh, I refer to it as the "Voldemort program" on the SPF.
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: Darkness on May 01, 2018, 06:24:14 AM
So what's the deal with PlugY and the SPF? Is it an actually an issue the SPF have or is it that the website admin's don't like it?

I remember "back in the day" that Ron (Greybeard) went to the wall to defend the use of ATMA by the SPF, when behind the scenes the D2.net Admin and other Mods were discussing that it was a "duping" program and whether to ban its use. That ATMA is still accepted today I suspect is in part to Greybeard sticking to his guns on behalf of the community.
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: mn4nu on May 01, 2018, 07:59:18 AM
The one thing I think that they might not like with PlugY is that you can reset skills anytime.  Other than that, after playing it for a couple weeks there really isn't much of a difference to me.  I actually had the diablo clone spawn in a game the other day, but my character was much too weak to make a dent in him.
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: TheNix on May 01, 2018, 06:28:55 PM
As far as I know it is a forum wide ban on all third party software that gives PlugY its bad name but there is a certain amount of hypocrisy in it.  The SPF has been allowed to develop and promote certain utilities (ATMA/GoMule, RWM/RRM, various version switchers, run counters) without hindrance but there seems to be an ideological objection to PlugY.  The funny thing was that you could use it if you were playing Median XL, but you were not allowed to mention the program by name; it promotes its use you see!!  The most resent schism at the SPF really brought these (and more) issues to a head.
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: Darkness on May 02, 2018, 05:55:25 AM
Now I'm confused as fuck.

There's a ban on third party software.
But, some third party software is allowed.

I...

Wut....?
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: mn4nu on May 02, 2018, 08:47:37 AM
Now I'm confused as fuck.

There's a ban on third party software.
But, some third party software is allowed.

I...

Wut....?
Yeah, I'm with you on this.  That makes no sense.
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: Sssith on May 02, 2018, 09:59:08 AM
I can't believe this is still discussed.  SPF was always crazy.

To me it was always clear cut. 

This issue is over a decade old.  The definition of insanity.
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: mn4nu on May 02, 2018, 01:12:02 PM
I can't believe this is still discussed.  SPF was always crazy.

To me it was always clear cut. 
  • If you want a clean environment play self found.  Don't trade. 
  • If you want to trade understand that you can't guarantee you are not using a dup.
  • Trade with people you trust.  Which is why this forum and others, including SPF came about.
  • When you trade be open about what programs you use.
  • Check you self righteousness at the door.  <-- Where SPF fails

This issue is over a decade old.  The definition of insanity.
Good summary!
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: Timinator on May 03, 2018, 08:10:08 PM
Of course this forum is much quieter in D2 than 10 years or more ago, but as Ssssith said, we know this and dealt with it.  The SPF mainly views things as the last vestage of humanity stoping a zombie virus from killing off the last humans.

Some of the previous mods left without a goodbye (Hrus, Cattleya).  In the vacuum, Thyiad got the job.  Overall for a long time she did a pretty good job, there were some things I didn't personally agree with, but these things happen.  However in more recent times its gotten out of control.

She appeared to go a bit postal, and it appeared she had left forever.  There was a lot of shock, but also HOPE.  Hope that other mods who viewed and posted could do a few things. that CHANGE might be able to come by what the users want to do, what they want to talk about.  5 months later she is back, the Iron fist comes down and a big can of NOPE is opened up.

We learnt somewhere along the line she had been having a real rough time in real life and certain people had been working to kill her reputation online.  Naturally she was not in a good place.  Now these are horrible things and no one wants to go through this, or see anyone go through it.  Its not always obvious this is the reason behind people's behaviour online.

Back to stuff that happens in game, and as people learn more about doing stuff in game, and how that works.  People were finding new/exciting things!  They wanted to be able to talk about it, have screenshots, guides etc.  Thyiad on the other side didn't have time/energy to game and wasn't really in the mood for it.  It must have seemed like a lot of "this is why you can't have nice things"

For 5 months it appears the SPF was turning a corner, that there could be some consensus based discussion about why people choose to spend their free time on a hobby.  Instead it was basically, follow these rules or GTFO, and if you GTFO, there is NO where that will survive, or is a decent place.

Here are some examples:
Don't mention voldemort! https://www.diabloii.net/forums/threads/a-reminder-about-non-fam-mods.960596/

Straws breaking the camels back:
https://www.diabloii.net/forums/threads/pre-lod-trading-no-longer-accepted.950867/

Basically a "screw you guys, I'm leaving"
https://www.diabloii.net/forums/threads/not-the-spf-i-knew.950868/ 
That particular nugget of a locked thread spawned a different thread https://www.diabloii.net/forums/threads/the-spf-i-know.952249/  I got really annoyed that it was a very subjective view on how things were, and the only way to do things correctly.


These days Maxicek is now a mod, doing a fine job, is active, playing and contributing.  But the rules/right way to do things is still an issue for many.

Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: TheNix on May 04, 2018, 07:14:24 PM
Great summary Tim. 

Do you know that the use of the -seed command has been outlawed at the SPF?  The funny thing was that when you looked at the SPF survey results (https://www.diabloii.net/forums/threads/spf-reform-survey.960392/) this is the only section where the recommendation was accepted, the rest just blew away like a morning mist.
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: D2Addict on May 23, 2018, 08:30:56 PM
I couldn't ignore a D2 post. :) I happened to be messing a bit in 1.09 again recently. I never uninstalled it from an old computer. I still have ATMA and my stashes.
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: mn4nu on May 24, 2018, 07:38:49 AM
Nice to see you around here D2A!

I found a HoZ yesterday, so my smiter has a nice shield now.
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: TheNix on May 26, 2018, 06:47:50 PM
Hi D2A.  Over the last five years or so I've taken short excursions into Diablo 3, Path of Exile and Grim Dawn but I haven't lost my passion for D2; 70 mat/pats and still going strong!
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: D2Addict on May 28, 2018, 07:42:21 PM
Hi D2A.  Over the last five years or so I've taken short excursions into Diablo 3, Path of Exile and Grim Dawn but I haven't lost my passion for D2; 70 mat/pats and still going strong!
Good to see you both too. Maybe a MP game some day for old times sake? I am definitely out of practice.
Title: Re: So I fired up D2 again
Post by: TheNix on May 31, 2018, 07:11:48 PM
Hi D2A.  Over the last five years or so I've taken short excursions into Diablo 3, Path of Exile and Grim Dawn but I haven't lost my passion for D2; 70 mat/pats and still going strong!
Good to see you both too. Maybe a MP game some day for old times sake? I am definitely out of practice.

I'll have to dig up my 1.09 characters and stashes.  I've not seen them for a while, but there on a flash-drive somewhere!